Firsthand experience, got the MAX 4500, and it has worked flawless for me. Pulled some pretty big trees out of paths with it, not to mention a few lost ATV's, and yes I did have to pull my T-rex...just once...out of a mud marsh. I have had it under water and under mud and it didn't affect it so far. Good winch...bad cable - I do not believe it is aircraft grade, it kinked and bound and frayed some after about 10 uses, so I bought the bluesteel rope to replace it, and I like it much better. So if your going to buy, my advice is get the rope instead of cable, but that is only my opinion.
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