[GWTERYX]

I am looking for some input on 4 seat cages. Who has purchased a cage from PDS fabrication and also who has a SDR motorsports cage.

With that being stated, this is a loaded question but I am looking for input before I share my current set of circumstances.

I will also ask this question. Is 2 months an insane amount of time to wait to get a cage or is this normal? Keep in mind I do not live in California or Arizona where it seems a majority of the after market dealers are located.

[dieselpowered]

Well my friend, I have had neither...I do know Tim at SDR and he is a really nice guy and from what others have said builds some great stuff (we have front and rear SDR bumpers on the way to us)

As far as a time frame, things do happen that are sometimes out of peoples control. I think two months could be a tad long for a production cage, assuming this is not the first one being built) I am not a fabricator though, so I could be wrong.

[Rhino Stomper]

I have a SDR 4 seater, Awesome cage. I saw the pds at the show this weekend. They had a booth near the entrance...They had a few machines... Tim's was HUGE! Great show for SDR! They stepped up. Looking at the design, SDR is better in my oppinion. From the research I have done before buying my cage, hands down the SDR was my choice. Timeframe depends on what you need, and how many builds are in progress or scheduled. There not just thrown together. I waited a little for mine...but well worth it.

Interested to learn more grasshopper!!

[dieselpowered]

Rhino Stomper brings up a good point that I did not mention, these shops get very busy especially around show times, therefore, that can have an impact on turn-a-round times.

[GWTERYX]

Part of my theory so far is correct. Those of you that are geographically closer have had better interaction with Tim than I have.

I will echo some of the same sentiments, at first he seemed very easy to work with and very nice. I also understand that this about the time when sand season starts. Not sure what that entails but I imagine it = busy time of year.

As far as cages go I have found out that the PDS and SDR cages are almost the same. That is because Tim used to work for PDS in the recent past. From what I have gathered while shopping for cages is that it was a wicked parting of ways. It was mentioned that when he left, he ran off with the set up sheets for the cages. That is third person of course but in looking at the cages other than some extra pipe in the roof and a lowered horizontal bar in the front they are identical. So much for SDR's innovative corner the market no one else has one like it cage.

My interaction with SDR started at the first of August. I spoke with Tim and he seemed to be very helpful, a bit pushy trying to sell his cages but that is expected in retail. I don't know about any of you but $2k for a cage and tire rack is a huuuge!!!! leap as far as money goes for me. I have to admit I was stoked about the cage and. I can only equate it to what is about to happen here in Texas when hunting season starts, "buck fever." Yes folks I had "cage fever."

With that, I came to an agreement 2nd week of August with Tim for a cage and tire rack. Turn around time on the ground at my house by the end of August. I thought we were good to go when I called back several days later with some measurements for the tire rack when it happened. I got the perverbial "hey man, I feel like were good friends since I am helping you out, we need to talk." From there he gave me this long story about the ssss show. He prefaced the story by saying if I wanted my stuff now he would go ahead and build it and get it to me. At that point I was thinking, hell yea $2k I want my stuff now. End result the agreement changed to, I get my cage now and the tire rack by the end of September.

Timeline:

3rd week of August-- called and cage not started on

4th week of August-- called and he was about to start on it

1st week of Sept-- I was deployed for search and rescue in response to Hurricane Gustav. called and he said it was about to go in the jig

2nd week of Sept-- I was deployed for search and rescue in Beaumont and Galveston (Hurricane Ike). called and he said it was about to go in the jig??????????

3rd week of Sept-- called and he said he was sending it to be powder coated and would ship it Mon Sept 22 after the ssss show.

4th week of Sept-- called Mon no answer. called six times and finally got Tim on the phone Tuesday.


I asked where the cage was, and he tells me it is going to powder coat. I asked about getting everything by the end of September as agreed and he said he was not even going to start on the tire rack until the 2nd week of October. He also tells me they are currently moving. I was beside myself with anger because I realized that Tim had led me on with Bulls$$$ excuses for a month and I fell for it. I told him I wanted to know exactly when I would have the cage. He called back at the end of the day and says "hey man, I got some good news for you I can have your cage to you a week from this Friday give or take a couple of days.

At that point I cut the rope and went with a PDS cage. Given Tim's current accuracy level with bulls$$$ that meant I would get the cage 3rd week of October if at all or at least another bulls$$$ excuse.


In the end Tim wasted two months of my time and today I still don't have a cage. "hey man (Tim), I'm glad I could be such a good friend and help you out!

Here is an idea Tim, why don't you come defend yourself, you know there is no way that you can defend your actions on this. However maybe you can at least regale everyone on the forum with some of your bulls$$$ excuses

[Bajabuggin]

GWTERYX-


Well, here I am. Defend myself? I think not. Its obvious to me that you will continue to edit your post with more and more accusations and continue to get more and more angry until you start to get the kind of responses I suppose your looking for.

I would expect this since your last comment to me was that you were "going to enjoy trashing us on the forums"

Trash away. Our product and reputation speaks for itself. I will not even justify most of your borderline slanderous comments with a response.

But the facts as you say should be put out there, so here is our side of the story. Its true we originally spoke about two months ago. Originally you ordered a rear bumper not a cage. It took us longer than expected to have your rear bumper ready and we owned up to that and shipped it second day air at no cost to you. You recieved it and stated to me you were happy with the product. At that time we began talking about our cages. You had some things you wanted done custom and I was happy to talk to you about it. On several occasions you mentioned you were also shopping PDS. You chose us over them and we were happy to earn your buisness.

At that time we had several standard production cages ready to go, there was a concern that our standard cage would not be short enough to fit in your trailer so you agreed that we should build one custom to your specs to be sure it would fit.

It was explained to you at the time that we were preparing for the SSSS and getting ready to move our shop. You agreed that the time frame was acceptable and we moved forward with your cage.

Your product was never promised to you any sooner than now, and we feel we have met those timelines very well considering.

You were not charged a deposit, and your custom built product is ready as promised, so Im not really sure what all the hostility is all about?

[Bajabuggin]

Now, more to the question. You asked so here is our .02 cents on what makes our cage a superior product to PDS.

There is alot more to building a cage than simply bending a couple of tubes and welding them together and there are alot more differences than just a couple of pipes.

We took what we learned at PDS ( since me and my guys built every cage they sold up until Jan of this year) and made several key changes to an already good design. At PDS we had several customers that rolled thier UTVs some were a hard roll while others were not as bad.

Either way we took this knowledge and what we learned and made some changes. We found that the cage would bend or shift when subject to a direct side load impact. To address this we added another tube lower down the A-pillar that locks in the front of the cage structure and also allows for a rolled front roof. A feature that was highly requested by past customers.

Next we looked at the overall roof structure and added a center tube brace to keep the front passenger compartment from bieng able to shift or bend.

We continued the bracing all the way back to the rear upper crossmember with v-bracing to even further shore up the back of the cage where we had seen the cage bend in a end over end roll.

Although it may not seem like it to the average guy, we changed almost every tube and bend in the cage. Some of them because we had to since we didnt have any set ups and had to start from scratch and others becouse one change will sometimes dictate another.

We are very happy with the outcome. Here is a bit of proof that the changes made a difference....

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YouTube - Tyrex roll on Steel Bender Moab

the proof as they say is in the pudding.... the driver walked away and the cage still fit the jig perfectly after the roll.

As a matter of fact we had the Teryx on display unchanged in our booth at the SSSS just so people could see why our cages hold up.

Now, we dont feel this is over the top innovation or a "Corner the market no one has one like it" product as there are other cages out there that share the same design structure and bracing. We dont feel they copied us, or that we copied them. We simply feel its better and frankly, shouldnt every cage builder?

But, we are tired of having our product compared to thiers so we have made a few more changes to further seperate us from them. Here are a few pics of the new SDR Delux cage that does not mount to the bed at all.

[GWTERYX]

Let the regaling begin.

Tim you completely missed the point as you did on the phone. You have two posts most of which is defending the quality of your product in reference to that fact I said PDS and SDR cages are look the same. I didn't attack your quality of product as much as the fact that I was talking about "your" performance, head space and timing. You just don't get there are some of us out here that expect you to keep up your end of a deal.

As I said before you have no defense to your actions. You used up the majority of your posts talking about quality.

You said nothing to refute the promises that were made or that you didn't keep any of them.

"It was explained to you at the time that we were preparing for the SSSS and getting ready to move our shop. You agreed that the time frame was acceptable and we moved forward with your cage."

Your leaving out the fact that we spoke again two days later and the agreement was changed to getting the cage end of August and tire rack end of September.

"Your product was never promised to you any sooner than now, and we feel we have met those timelines very well considering."

Where did you pull this out of ???? You haven't met any time lines, none whatsoever!!!!!!!

As per our last agreement in August with you saying I would have the cage by the end of August and tire carrier be the end of September. I will use your words "the proof is in the pudding."

End of August Tim "wheres the cage"

It is now the end of September Tim, "wheres the cage." For that matter "wheres the tire rack."

Oh, thats right I might be mistaken but I actually expected you to keep your word or promise, something you have not done. Now your saying it's going to be two more weeks for the cage and who knows when on a tire rack. Thats why you got cut loose, because that's how you kept me on the hook this long, excuses. You didn't follow through on an agreement, something I have heard you have a long track record with, but I am going to keep this above the belt.

[GWTERYX]

Originally Posted by Bajabuggin

But, we are tired of having our product compared to thiers so we have made a few more changes to further seperate us from them. Here are a few pics of the new SDR Delux cage that does not mount to the bed at all.

nice pictures, I guess that's where my wasted two months went??????

Just so we are clear this was not the cage I ordered. I ordered the original style that has been built day in day out until now.

[cek]

Originally Posted by GWTERYX

I am looking for some input on 4 seat cages. Who has purchased a cage from PDS fabrication and also who has a SDR motorsports cage.

With that being stated, this is a loaded question but I am looking for input before I share my current set of circumstances.

I will also ask this question. Is 2 months an insane amount of time to wait to get a cage or is this normal? Keep in mind I do not live in California or Arizona where it seems a majority of the after market dealers are located.

I don't have any experience with either one of those companies but I have ordered two from SoCal Fab and the last one I ordered on Friday and it shipped today (was actually ready yesterday). Two months is too long from any manufacture as far as I'm concerned.

My .02