First off i dont want to get into a debate. I just want to state FACTS
The PC V is really no different than any other PC except that you can ADD the not standard option auto-tune and you can ADD a ignition (CDI) if it is available.[/QUOTE]
Not really ....... You can add a dyno jet ignition module to the PC3 or the PC5.
1. Reduced size from PCIIIusb (less than half of the size of PCIII)
2. USB powered from computer (9 volt adapter is no longer needed for programming as it is needed with the PC3)
3. 2 position map switching function built in (map switch not included)
4. Analog input (allows user to install any 0-5 volt sensor and build an adjustment table based on its input such as boost or temperature)
5. THIS IS A BIG ONE ...With gear position input connected the PCV is capable of allowing each cylinder to be mapped individually
6. THIS IS ANOTHER BIG ONE ....Unit has a -100/+250% fuel change range (up from -100/+100%). This means you can add OR take away fuel. You cannot do this with the dobeck/muzzy controller. You can only ADD fuel with a dobeck/muzzy.
7. 10 throttle position columns (up from 9 on PCIIIusb)
8. Enhanced “accel pump” utility (increased adjustment and sensitivity ranges)
While with Auto-Tune and a ignition this would be the best there is, it is at a price, you will be into it nearly $1000 for all three pieces.
Well not really ...... as not everyone will need the auto tune? It is for people who want to tune there own sxs or like to adjust and make changes. This allows ANYONE to do testing and make adjustments safely. If you buy a dobeck/muzzy controller and install an 840 kit and say you live in denver co .... how the hell do you have your customer tune it? That is where the auto tune and pc5 are FAR SUPERIOR.
There is still no ignition for the Teryx version of the PC V and not sure when it will be available so basically all you get is a fuel controller and you can add the auto tune.
NO..... NO .... NO ...... the ignition will be out soon. So that is not an issue. The fuel controller can add or subtract fuel EVERY 250 RPM. PLUS you can map each cylinder different and as everyone knows that is important on a stock teryx as the cams are different front to back. With a dobeck/ muzzy you have to add the same amount of fuel to the front cylinder that you do to the rear. then with a dobeck/muzzy controller you are GUESSING where to add fuel ... via low mid or high. With the pc3 or pc5 it takes all the guess work out.
I thought the Auto-Tune would be the bomb and it really is but you will need a basic map in the ballpark before it can auto-tune.
Why is that a problem? We will have ALOT MORE then basic maps available. We will have maps that are spot on.
You can't add a bunch of engine mods and slap this baby on and it tune the fuel for you. You need a fuel map that is partially right before it can do it. If I remember right, it can adjust if it is in within 20%
NO .... again theUnit has a -100/+250% fuel change range (up from -100/+100% on a pc3). This means you can add OR take away fuel. You cannot do this with the dobeck/muzzy controller. You can only ADD fuel with a dobeck/muzzy and with a dobeck or muzzy controller i think you can only add less then 20% ..... THIS IS WHY The power commander is the way to go and is the industry standard in fuel injection controllers.
This makes the dealer need to still have some matching maps to what ever the mod is and then the auto-tune can keep it at the desired air/fuel ratio.
AGAIN .... the maps do not need to be that close. That is what the auto tuen is about. YES you will need a base map, but that is it. We will have maps for almost every combo to get our customers spot on.
The PC has never been user friendly at all and it is nearly impossible for a end user to make a fuel map on it. You need a load control dyno for real results.
Not with the auto tune ......... it is EASY. Just type in the a/f you want and drive the car. IT DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY. The PC3 and PC5 are both very easy to use if you can turn on a lap top and send an e-mail, then you can use one NO PROBLEM.
There is a huge table in the software that looks like a Excel document with RPM down the left side of the table and TPS (throttle position sensor) postion across the top. You have to hold your throttle at each position and each RPM in the table, get a air/fuel ratio and then adjust that table to get the desired a/f reading. There is about 200 or so cells to adjust.
This still has to be done with the auto-tune too to some extent.
You re making this alot tuffer then it really is ....... you drive the car in tunning mode and it will adjust the a/f to the values you put in ..... EASY
Another issue with the PC is there is no good way to adjust the fuel in the lower RPM, Dynojet can't even do it because of the CVT. The load control dyno won't slow the engine down low enough to adjust the fuel. They themselves leave the lower RPM at factory specs.
You adjust it to the a/f reading you get at ANY RPM? There is no problem slowing the car on the dyno, but we are not making adjustments SLOWING the car. We make them ACCELERATING that car? or holding at each RPM.
This is just my opinion but there is no real good reason to buy a fuel controller only of any brand for a UTV or any vehicle that has a speed limiter or rev limiter or has a retarded timing curve that needs a change in timing when a unit is coming later that will do fuel and spark.
That is yet to be seen and the quality of thios said unit is also yet to be seen. I understand you will be selling the UN-SEE MSD unit .... that wont be out for 5 months ATLEAST. Then when it is out how will it adjust? Can you share map files? Can you add and subtract fuel? Can it auto tune? an you add or take away fuel every 250 RPM? How much timing can be added? When can the timing be added and at what incriments? Just go to any website for fuel injected bike or quads and you will see the POWER COMMANDER is the standard in f/i controllers. You will also find people from all walks of live that use and love the power commander. Just because it can do everythign it does not mean you have to use it all and make it complicated.
If the PC had a ignition add-on and it will, then all three items would be the cats meow but not at that price, I would rather spend about $400 for the forth coming MSD but it won't have auto-tune.
We will see what it does and how good it does it for $400.00 Will it tune each cylinder individually? You keep playing down the auto tune? Not to sure why? It is the GOODS and will be a great tool for EVERYONE>
When I first heard about the auto-tune I thought this was going to be great and it really is but it is best served on a motorcycle that does not have a low speed limiter like a UTV.
What does a low speed limiter have to do with auto tune? I just dont get it? You keep playing down the auto tune? How much do you charge for a dyno run? One trip to the dyno and you could pay for the auto tune. This thing is the GOODS. You can play it down all you want, but it is truely a great thing. Bottom line we will have maps for many different combos. So even if you dont buy a single thing from us you can use or maps to tuen you car with power commander products.