I have an 8 gig iphone 3g with real carbon fiber Lance Armstrong case. It hs only been used for a couple months. Has a few scratches on back from being in an otterbox. It has a few small ones on screen. It is not beat to death. It still looks good and works like new. They are selling on ebay for around 200 for just the phone and a wall charger. I will go 200 or best offer for phone carbon fiber case a wall charger and a car charger. If you dont want the case i will go 175 or best offer.