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That is not a rumor, Thunder Products and Dalton have patents on screw in weights, the owner of Thunder Products told me he was gonna do something about it. Whether he does or not is on him.
I am telling the truth as I know it, talked to several people who have it, had one here and have another very popular vendor all stating differently.
I did say it rocks if you want to go 80 and have he engine to push it, it just won't beat a properly set up Dalton kit at normal speeds
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Well heck , that settles it then.. I guess my actuall test on a 840 , same bike was just an optical illusion :laugh:
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Todd you have no clue do you? What about STM weights, Heelclickers, and many more company's that have screw in weights? I'm not sure if a company from Canada can patent weights in th US any way? Buy vfj weights because the money stays in the us!
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I'll bow out, probably too late for bowing out gracefully.
It is all opinion really, if what you have works for you then that is the best no matter what.
We will continue to use and support Dalton exclusively for now.
I do need to do some real clutching research here, just have not had the time.
It is all opinion really, if what you have works for you then that is the best no matter what.
We will continue to use and support Dalton exclusively for now.
I do need to do some real clutching research here, just have not had the time.
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X2 on that cat.we are not vendors, real world does not matter. Like every thing about the dollar.I just know I will be in the woods this weekend. Rocking along with my VFJ clutch. Not trying to sell any body anything.Would like to hook up with you guys and ride.
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Sleepy I would look into taking your rex to FST he's a motor builder
with YEARS of experience!!!! IMHO!!!
with YEARS of experience!!!! IMHO!!!
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Howdy everyone :wave: , I was sent this message in an email to reply:
Todd, You are a JACKASS. :laugh:
That's good LET ANYONE TRY TO SUE ME FOR PATENT INFRINGEMENT. Because Mine are PATENT PENDING.
My weights are unique curvature to ANY weight on the market, NOT a stock curvature copy. They also use a billet spacer and small pin area vs a large pin heel area. they are totally unique to ANY weight manufactured for the teryx or any other atv
they are LIGHTER and MORE ADJUSTABLE than every dalton teryx weight out there. as well as different curvature.
Can you add heel, or mid weight in a dalton, NO Not without stacking grub screws. Do they adjust 65-80 grams like mine do. NO Does it come with a 7 spring selection for primary clutch or a 3 spring selection for secondary? NO
Then what makes it FULLY ADJUSTABLE??
thunder products doesn't even make kawasaki weights. They make the TPI valves you sell.
Good luck with that buddy. You babble nonsense as well as you custom program MSD's.
You even admit it You have to research clutching more. I've done this since 2003. Way ahead of you buddy.
good day.
John
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First off I'm going to say sorry for barging in here.
Thing is. I don't have a problem with Todd. I could care less what he does, sells, recomends. it's his business. When you make up Bull Crap lies Especially concerning me, it's going to come back and bite you.
Like we all see and know, Todd at HW likes to promote the products he sells as the best and everyone elses stuff is just not comparable. The fact is... He obviously hasn't done that much testing and tuning to back up his claims. I've been a dalton supplier before he even knew dalton or these kawy V-twins existed. They certainly work and have their place, but they are just too heavy of a weight for the Teryx, what's the point of having an adjustable weight you have to run empty??? Especially when modded. this is why they have since lightened up the weights, but even that doesn't hold the rpm, they steady climb rpmn during shiftout due to low tip mass. It wasn't all that long ago the owner of Dalton industries, Dale, was asking me to allow him make my weights and billet faceplates for my mods, I opted to do it all myself so I programmed my CNC and made my prototypes. near 10 sets of different curves mass and weights.
This isn't anything new to me... Todd did this to me not even 3 weeks ago when I started selling MSD's cheaper than he does. He called MSD (autotronics) and complained to them that I was under cutting him when "he claims he pays just 215 for a MSD box" from them!!! He talked to them and wanted them to stop me from selling them. They laughed about as much as I did saying they can't make them as fast as they need to due to the demand. There's a thing about making a profit and taking someone's pockets.
Same with Muzzys exhaust. He had to complain to them that I sell them for way less than he does. so I simply took down my prices to conform to their pricing policy (a policy TODD had encouraged them make up). but that didn't stop the sales. and Muzzy said they could care less, so long as I don't put the price up on my site.
Same with the Clutch kits. I can't see charging 300 + dollars for bolt in weights and springs AKA clutch kit. that's why I make my own, I charge 100.00 less for my kits than the kits he sells and they hands down work better. even my machining without changing weights is still cheaper and offers more of everything vs a bolt in setup.
With me, it's not about making a buck. It's about saving a buck (especially your's) and getting the performance you paid for. I was once a consumer who bought into all the magazine articles and products boasted as parts you "need to have" only to spend 1000's and be dissappointed in what I got. This is why back in 1997 I bought my first Dynojet dyno and went to tuning school. I needed answers, and that gave it to me. since then I have bought 5 different dynojet dyno's (248, 225, 178,188, and a 250) and they have all served me very well and been consistant with eachother.
I really hate to come on here and piss and moan. So I will leave judgment in the hands of you forum goers. Compare prices, performance, gains and losses, and most of all EXPERIENCE. You want that Teryx to be fast, reliable and spend less. You know who to look up.
Sorry for the rant, now back to your normal discussion.
John
Thing is. I don't have a problem with Todd. I could care less what he does, sells, recomends. it's his business. When you make up Bull Crap lies Especially concerning me, it's going to come back and bite you.
Like we all see and know, Todd at HW likes to promote the products he sells as the best and everyone elses stuff is just not comparable. The fact is... He obviously hasn't done that much testing and tuning to back up his claims. I've been a dalton supplier before he even knew dalton or these kawy V-twins existed. They certainly work and have their place, but they are just too heavy of a weight for the Teryx, what's the point of having an adjustable weight you have to run empty??? Especially when modded. this is why they have since lightened up the weights, but even that doesn't hold the rpm, they steady climb rpmn during shiftout due to low tip mass. It wasn't all that long ago the owner of Dalton industries, Dale, was asking me to allow him make my weights and billet faceplates for my mods, I opted to do it all myself so I programmed my CNC and made my prototypes. near 10 sets of different curves mass and weights.
This isn't anything new to me... Todd did this to me not even 3 weeks ago when I started selling MSD's cheaper than he does. He called MSD (autotronics) and complained to them that I was under cutting him when "he claims he pays just 215 for a MSD box" from them!!! He talked to them and wanted them to stop me from selling them. They laughed about as much as I did saying they can't make them as fast as they need to due to the demand. There's a thing about making a profit and taking someone's pockets.
Same with Muzzys exhaust. He had to complain to them that I sell them for way less than he does. so I simply took down my prices to conform to their pricing policy (a policy TODD had encouraged them make up). but that didn't stop the sales. and Muzzy said they could care less, so long as I don't put the price up on my site.
Same with the Clutch kits. I can't see charging 300 + dollars for bolt in weights and springs AKA clutch kit. that's why I make my own, I charge 100.00 less for my kits than the kits he sells and they hands down work better. even my machining without changing weights is still cheaper and offers more of everything vs a bolt in setup.
With me, it's not about making a buck. It's about saving a buck (especially your's) and getting the performance you paid for. I was once a consumer who bought into all the magazine articles and products boasted as parts you "need to have" only to spend 1000's and be dissappointed in what I got. This is why back in 1997 I bought my first Dynojet dyno and went to tuning school. I needed answers, and that gave it to me. since then I have bought 5 different dynojet dyno's (248, 225, 178,188, and a 250) and they have all served me very well and been consistant with eachother.
I really hate to come on here and piss and moan. So I will leave judgment in the hands of you forum goers. Compare prices, performance, gains and losses, and most of all EXPERIENCE. You want that Teryx to be fast, reliable and spend less. You know who to look up.
Sorry for the rant, now back to your normal discussion.
John
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X2 VFJ you never see him beating the bushes for sales. He stands on his owen merit. I also replaced my hw msd with johns big diference , even sounds defferent.And not only todd, a lot of sxs vendors way to much markup. Making 75 to 200 percent mark up. And are rzr or rihno people. And living large off our hard urend money.
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John is a great guy, I dont blame him one bit for his post. I posted a test I ran with Dalton V/s Vjohn clutch kit. The Vjohn won hands down ( on 840's) . Todd slung some mud. So , If I was John I would have done the same thing. So, all I can say is from the results of my test everything John said is true.
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After reading these posts I must admit I'm a little dissappointed. How is the new teryx owner to make up his mind on where to purchase his aftermarket parts from. I work hard for my money. Not to mention almost meet my maker everytime I purchase a larger item for my hobby because of my significant other. LOL From my limited experience on here I gather John and Todd are both significant players in the aftermarket game. So tell me gentlemen who do I listen too? I'm sure both of you have vast amounts of knowledge that you could share with the novice teryx owner. Honestly I can't afford to make $1000 mistakes on what I buy. Not sure either of you would have an answer to my question. How have other teryx owners made their decisions?
After reading these posts I must admit I'm a little dissappointed. How is the new teryx owner to make up his mind on where to purchase his aftermarket parts from. I work hard for my money. Not to mention almost meet my maker everytime I purchase a larger item for my hobby because of my significant other. LOL From my limited experience on here I gather John and Todd are both significant players in the aftermarket game. So tell me gentlemen who do I listen too? I'm sure both of you have vast amounts of knowledge that you could share with the novice teryx owner. Honestly I can't afford to make $1000 mistakes on what I buy. Not sure either of you would have an answer to my question. How have other teryx owners made their decisions?
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I will say this.. Dont go with hear say.. Trust in people that actually test the stuff. Depends in what you are wanting to buy.. Call John, call Todd ,call Mikey price the stuff. See who has the best price. Each one of these guys support what they sell. If you want performance you will need full exhaust ( Muzzy) fuel controller (MSD) Clutch kit (VFjohns) is the best Dalton a close second ( Vjohns is cheaper too). There are no mistakes in any of these products. Call the guys I mentioned and get your pricing.. I will leave my opinions on who is best out of this. Just letting you know what to do:wave: The significant other is always the one you have to butter up
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Todd is a nice guy BUT he cant be spreading lies and rumors about people that is just WRONG! VFJ wasn't on here saying anything about anybody else stuff butt you will find Todd putting his 2 cents in here on motor size, clutching, cams, air filters etc. Todd doesn't sell VFJ clutch kit or his mod so it most be junk. This is not the first time Todd and different dealer had words.
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